Posts by King Solomon

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

King Solomon

Moyle wrote:

"Because I pushed these cases vigorously I have been accused by some of these judges of violating legal ethics, and have been threatened with contempt of court, and disbarment."

Aha!

That's what I'm wondering about: did Rutherford in fact have valid cause to complain about Moyle's indiscreet handling of the matter, with the letter ending up in the hands of others? Moyle admitted to showing it to others, which seems an illegal disclosure of private information, if proven.

In other words, did Moyle breach his fiduciary duty to the client (WTBTS) to not disclose unflattering personal matters of which he may have become aware during the course of representing them?

My gut says Rutherford tried to get him disbarred but failed (it's a difficult case, since Moyle's defense would be his letters of praise, and that the behavior occurred in public), and settled for a jab by making the NWT read as "discreet", as a "screw you, Moyle" last-laugh, plus serving as a warning to all future whistle-blowers of what will happen to you if you are indiscreet about the slave's indiscretions (and Ray didn't get the memo, lol!).

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

King Solomon

Between the dung beetles, resurrected ants, and grilles, these "EP vs Sab" threads are chock-full of comedy gold, lol!

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Neurosurgeon Has Near Death Experience

by metatron in

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interesting stuff:.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/07/proof-of-heaven-a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html.

i've had long, personal conversations with two people who've had these experiences.

King Solomon

Xianthippe said:

I thougth neurosurgeons made a lot of money already. Also he's risking losing credibility with his peers and endangering his future career I would have thought.

There's no loss of credibility or negative effect on his career; most doctors aren't concerned with the damage to their reputation, only their reputation as perceived by those colleagues who generate their intra-professional referrals (most don't worry about what their COMPETITORS say: business is business). Most docs recognize another doc's PR campaings when they see them.

Remember, he's an American doctor, too, and many hospitals are owned and run by churches. Faith-based religions are big in the US vs other countries.

Aside from insurance issues directing patients to a particular provider (who's on their panel), he's not likely to be hurt by being perceived by patients as being driven by his faith: in fact, that's a practice BUILDER, where the old blue-haired little ladies WANT a doctor who believes like they do, where they read his book, etc. Media doctors are a big deal nowadays.

(heck, I know doctors who simply go along with their faith as a member of the church fully-aware of the benefits of having built-in clientele (eg Mormon doctors who see Mormon patients, etc. Maybe not as relevant for a neurosurgeon, but certainly is a factor for a primary-care provider).

The 'smoking gun' to me was when I saw the book being sold by Simon and Schuster = $$$$

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

King Solomon

Sab said:

I KNOW you don't know as much as me in this regard because I have not given a fraction of my research to this forum. I have witnessed obvious behavior from you that proves that you understand very little on the subject of mind control.

Let me guess: research you conducted over the internet?

Soooo, being prone to these vast conspiracies that the "others" (the mysterious "they" and "them") are carrying on around you, do you think these super-intelligent humans that you assume exist (without proof, yet again) who've developed these mind control techniques are going to allow them to LEAK to the public?

Much like your supernatural beings which you believe in (without proof), you would be completely unaware of these people's presence, as they would be able to avoid detection and keep their methods a secret. Seeing a common theme here in your beliefs, Sab? Masons? Brain-washers? Angels?

Besides, since you think WT is in on the secret (Recovery was apparently an "agent") then how does the WTBTS use their super-powerful and top-secret methods without such knowledge leaking out (or have you NOT noticed the BOE letters that leak HERE, after even BEFORE they make it to elders in the mail)? How does it get to the KH level, without it's being leaked?

ANSWER: it's no secret. THEY USE THE BIBLE AND POLICY TO CONTROL. People GIVE them permission to allow themselves to be controlled.

Sab, you don't need to resort to the hyperbole and "writer's embellishment" for this stuff: the REAL STORY of what is happening (say, in the BOE child abuse letter) is shocking enough, so resorting to complex theories (like Masons and WT) is simply nonsense, with zero benefit to be gained by wasting brain cycles on it.

Sab said:

Without spirituality, there is no hope, so anybody trying to discredit it as a whole is an enemy of the realm.

Who said EP or I are not spiritual? Assuming again?

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

King Solomon

Sab said:

You are an arch nemesis of mine as are all anti-theists, but adversarial collaboration can be very effective:

Sab seemingly thinks he has an archnemesis in EP (and Sab, you can only have ONE archnemesis: the other opponents are simply your nemeses). How long have you two been going steady?

Sab, you're not a Luke Skywalker to Darth Vader, Harry Potter to Valdemort, David to Goliath, etc. You need to give up the mental junk-food of superheroes, comic books, conspiracy theories, DND, halo, LOTR, the Bible, vampires/werewolves, pixies/fairies, etc.

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We will decide who is a predator! New Watchtower Instructions to Elders on Child Abuse

by Jaime l de Aragon in

must read on jehovahs witnesses watchtower arrogance in failure to warn of congregation pedophiles.. http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-will-decide-who-is-a-predator-new-watchtower-instructions-to-elders-on-child-abuse?fb_action_ids=10151270345663993&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582.

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King Solomon

Sizemik asked:

So if an accusation is made by the abuser that a minor was a "willing participant" . . . it's not child abuse?

That's how I was reading it, as they seemingly have erased statuatory rape from Caesar's laws.

And even there, the handling of the case would probably depend on the statement made by the other witness of the event (if available), OR they could drag the young person into the JC and asked if they screamed loud enough?

Hey, why fix what isn't broken, and if the approach is good enough to use with rape victims, why not with victims of child molesters? They'd better start teaching those 16-17 y.o.s to not just raise a hand, but to scream their heads off, or else face punishment!

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

King Solomon

PS my pointing out that Masons believe in a supreme being (vs just YHWH, the connection to JWs and Russell) is a basic fact that some seemed to be unaware of. Pointing out the actual beliefs of Masons in a thread called "Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol" is not OT: it's very MUCH on topic AND important, since some participants were trying to rewrite basic facts.

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

King Solomon

CA said:

Yet another thread that King Solomon hijacked in order to insult someone else. Seems like a pattern here.

If you find my words so "insulting", perhaps the question you should be asking is why they represent such a threat or affront to you....

Sab said:

The unbelievers are trying to "save" the believers which is pretty ironic when you think about it.

It's about as ironic as demonizing Recovery for passing off WT BS since YOU believe it's not true, when you say I'll be singing a different tune after reading whatever nonsense you manage to come up with. There's that characteristic brand of binary logic again, as if deciding that one alternative is false automatically suggests the other alternative must be true (relying on the fallacy of the exclusion of alternatives).

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Women are part of the Annointed (144,000 ) to rule with Christ,yet are no part of the F&DS class and have no say in running a congregation at a grass roots level.

by smiddy in

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and yes i`m familiar with the scriptures that say women should know their place , cant teach , have a head covering if they, do when no capable male is present etc.etc.. yet they can become immortal and rule with christ as an equal with men for a thousand years ?.

are their inconsistincies here that prevent women from being part of the faithful & discreet slave class ?

maybe the women who claim to be of the annointed need to be more vocal and stand up for their rights.

King Solomon

Hence why it's smart to comparison-shop for a religion before committing to one: there MAY be a better deal out there (eg Catholics don't hold out heaven to only SOME of their females, the ones who are exceptionally impressionable). You don't want to have a bad case of "buyer's remorse" (I coulda had a V-8)!

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

King Solomon

I've always suspected that the thief being 'saved' at the last minute was added to the narrative as an example of the parable of the 'workers in the vineyard' (which only appears in ONE of the Gospels, Matthew):

According to Matthew 20:1–16 Jesus says that any "laborer" who accepts the invitation to the work in the vineyard (said by Jesus to represent the Kingdom of Heaven), no matter how late in the day, will receive an equal reward with those who have been faithful the longest.

The owner of the vineyard (Jesus) decides to pay a late-coming worker (the criminal) a full day's wages, just the same as those workers (his disciples) who actually put in a full day's of labor.

In that light, the whole temporal aspect (whether the criminal would be rewarded TODAY, or the promise was MADE that day) becomes rather meaningless, as it misses the whole POINT of the passage: confirmation of the prior parable that it's never too late to repent and be saved, with the reward being the same as someone who did so earlier in their life.

Leo, since the parable appears in Matthew, and the repentent thief account ONLY appears in the Luke narrative, is there any evidence to suggest that this element was added to reinforce the parable?